Pirates of the Inner Sea

Well, if I were to ascend it wouldn't be too bad. At least, I'd like to think not. I expect it means entering heaven, rather than ascending to the light world --{{Megan}}

Godhood, eh? Interesting... --{{Ravenmane}}

Note the command at verse 3, line 5. "Seek it". The Steps' previous name was the Seeker in Celestial. And the current name, the Llira's Steps, echos the words from Theiryn's final journal entry, "she will hider her charts so that only those who walk with Llira may find her secrets. From her shoulders I leap and take the Steps of Life". Could there be a clue in the past two names of the ship? --{{Ravenmane}}

We must be careful with our use of mortal terms such as parents, since the Prophecies are most likely relating the struggles of alien creatures of unimaginable power. Care should be take lest our use of mortal terminology lead us astray. And I believe they are Aboleths, not Arbaleths. The tides certainly gives it an aquatic feel and the scrolls were found in the possession of an Aboleth. But methinks the self and the weak, which 'descend' form the Fate Weaver could very well refer to Tymora and Beesheba. --{{Ravenmane}}

An excellent observation. The third is separate from the Self and the Weak, but like them is of the Fate Weaver. I think so. I see no mention of the elves remembering it. Methinks the mention of the fallen elf city is a chronological marker, as I said above. --{{Ravenmane}}

Updated thoughts in light of recently revealed information about the Dreamer Scrolls.

Updated thoughts in light of recently revealed information about the Dreamer Scrolls.// It appears that the first three sections of the Dreamer Scrolls are events from the past. The inclusion of proto-tenses in these three sections lead me to this conclusion. Methinks the first section of the Dreamer Scrolls could be referring to the division of Tymora and Beesheba from Tyche, but I don't know much about religious matters so I'm really theorising from a position of ignorance. The fall of the Elf City could refer to Myth Dranor, IF the scrolls are talking about the past, since it was, and in an odd way remains, the most celebrated Elven city in Faerun. Thus it would provide a handy chronological marker within a language devoid of tenses. If my theory holds, then it would appear that a Third element splintered off when Tymora and Besheeba separated from Tyche. Who or what this Third element is escapes me. It is obvious, even to the likes of Serlo, that the child/once-child/dreamer is looking for the Third, but cannot claim the Third until it claims its "childhood", whatever that may be. Perhaps the Third being sought is some manner of divine power which broke off during the sundering of Tymora and Beesheba and if one is able to "enfold" this essence of the divine it allows ascension into the ranks of the immortals. Of course this is pure speculation on my part! -- {{Ravenmane}}

Note the commond at verse 3, line 5. "Seek it". The Steps' previous name was the Seeker in Celestial. And the current name, the Llira's Steps, echos the words from Theiryn's final journal entry, "she will hider her charts so that only those who walk with Llira may find her secrets. From her shoulders I leap and take the Steps of Life". Could there be a clue in the past two names of the ship? --{{Ravenmane}}

Perhaps an archaic reference to Tyche, who was a primeval luck goddess of a more neutral disposition than Tymora and Besheeba. -- {{Ravenmane}}

Could be a reference to Selune. Why? Only the gods know. --{{Ravenmane}}

An alternate title for Tyche? -- {{Ravenmane}}

We must be careful with our use of mortal terms such as parents, since the Prophecies are most likely relating the struggles of alien creatures of unimaginable power. Care should be take lest our use of mortal terminology lead us astray. And I believe they are Aboleths, not Arbaleths. The tides certainly gives it an aquatic feel and the scrolls were found in the possession of an Aboleth. But methinks the self and the weak, which 'descend' form the Fate Weaver could very well refer to Tymora and Beesheba. --{{Ravemane}}

An excellent observation. The third is separate from the Self and the Weak, but like them is of the Fate Weaver. I think so. I see no mention of the elves remembering it. Methinks the mention of the fallen elf city is a chronological marker, as I said above. --{{Ravemane}}

Could this be a god or goddess? Sune or Llira? Theiryn worshipped what he called the Triad, composed of Sune, Llira and Tymora-- {{Ravenmane}}

Interesting. Or could the One of Fates have been 'destroyed' and 'replaced' by the Self and the Weak? Or are the Child and Sibling distinct from the Self and the Weak? No, Megan seems to have the right of it. Could the Self and Weak refer to Tymora and Beesheba? And if so, which is which?

The Dreamer is yet another incarnation of the Child. When the child leaves, the Sibling takes its 'childhood' and the Child becomes the Once-Child. Then the Mad One touches the Once-Child and "it dreams", thus becoming the Dreamer. --{{Ravenmane}}

Sibling

Childhood

Somehow, this seems to be how these gods get their power. Does anyone know any children gods? --{{Megan}}

Since it wants its childhood, it's probably one of these god creatures --{{Megan}}

Whatever this refers to, it cannot bode well for the continued existence of the free peoples of Faerun.-- {{Ravenmane}}

Well, if I were to ascend it wouldn't be too bad. At least, I'd like to think not. I expect it means entering heaven, rather than ascending to the light world --{{Megan}}

Moon

Obviously, since it speaks, this is a god, or at least a spirit of some sort. The gods do have spirit servants, right?--{{Megan}}

It seems to refer to the parent of the "#oneoffates One of Fates", surely. I'm interested to know what the self is - is it the Arbaleths? I thought so from the "tides", but maybe not. --{{Megan}}

A third one that is not Self nor Weak. Apparently the elves remembered it. --{{Megan}}

The fall of who? --{{Megan}} the uneducated

I'm thinking that the child is the Weak, and the sibling is the One of Fates, the Self. I imagine those are god-creatures. --{{Megan}}

Probably sould be read as one OF the fates. Or maybe as someone who controls fate. --{{Megan}}

It appears that the first three sections of the Dreamer Scrolls are events from the past. The inclusion of proto-tenses in these three sections lead me to this conclusion. Methinks the first section of the Dreamer Scrolls is referring to the division of Selune and Shar, but I don't know much about religious matters so I'm really theorising from a position of ignorance. The fall of the Elf City could refer to Myth Dranor, IF the scrolls are talking about the past, since it was, and in an odd way remains, the most celebrated Elven city in Faerun. Thus it would provide a handy chronological marker within a language devoid of tenses. If my theory holds, then it would appear that a Third element splintered off when Shar and Selune separated from each other. Who or what this Third element is escapes me. It is obvious, even to the likes of Serlo, that the child/once-child/dreamer is looking for the Third, but cannot claim the Third until it claims its "childhood", whatever that may be. Perhaps the Third being sought is some manner of divine power which broke off during the sundering of Shar and Selune and if one is able to "enfold" this essence of the divine it allows ascension into the ranks of the immortals. Of course this is pure speculation on my part! -- {{Ravenmane}}

Does this refer to the entity from which Selune and Shar emerged? -- {{Ravenmane}}

Myth Dranor, methinks. A chronological marker. What else of epic importance happened around the Fall of Myth Dranor?-- {{Ravenmane}}

Could this be a god or goddess? Sune or Llira?-- {{Ravenmane}}

Possibly another god. Who could it be?-- {{Ravenmane}}

Ascension

Whatever this refers to, it cannot bode well for the continued existence of the free peoples of Faerun.-- {{Ravenmane}}

I think they are all about a new dish detergent -- {{Ravenmane}}

I think they are all about a new dish detergent

General Interpretations

Terms and Meanings

Moon

Fate Weaver

Third

Elf City

Child

Desirable One

Sibling

Childhood

Once-child

Mad One

Dreamer

Ascension

Musings on the possible meanings of the scrolls.

One of Fates